2024 Election about “numbers, not politics”

A former Safety Department (SB) informer who defected to the African Nationwide Congress’ armed wing uMkhonto we Sizwe (MK) as an intelligence operative – and who left the ANC after 32 years to type his personal get together – is among the opposition leaders who might be on the upcoming nationwide conference of “pact” members. He’s Neil De Beer of the United Unbiased Motion (UIM). He speaks to BizNews about what he fought for prior to now and what future he’s combating for now. De Beer offers his causes for becoming a member of the “Moonshot Pact Coalition”, and says the 2024 election is about “numbers” and “logistics” – not politics. De Beer additionally speaks about what drives him, his epic most cancers battle, and his relationship with God. – Chris Steyn

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Related timestamps from the interview

00:09 – Introductions
00:29 – Neil de Beer on his journey in politics
01:04 – On what made him depart the ANC after 32 years
03:20 – His journey from safety department spy to defecting to the MK all the best way to being Madiba’s safety advisor
06:40 – On if restorative justice is feasible
08:15 – On the explanation he joined the coalition
10:47 – On if he’s in favour of a coalition authorities between the pact on one finish and the ANC on the opposite finish 
13:24 – On what drives him
14:28 – The battles along with his well being
15:45 – His views on SA’s stance on the warfare between Russia and Ukraine
21:50 – Conclusions

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A former Safety Department (SB) informer who defected to the African Nationwide Congress’ armed wing uMkhonto we Sizwe (MK) as an intelligence operative – and who left the ANC after 32 years to type his personal get together – is among the opposition leaders who might be on the upcoming nationwide conference of “pact” members.

He’s Neil De Beer of the United Unbiased Motion (UIM).

He speaks to BizNews about what he fought for prior to now and what future he’s combating for now. 

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De Beer offers his causes for now having joined the Moonshot Pact Coalition: “I won’t just like the individuals I’m sitting round. This can be a truth of matter. If I appreciated any one among them, I might have chosen to hitch one among them. I don’t like them. And it’s as clear as daylight. They didn’t succeed. They failed after 30 years. However they’re not dangerous individuals. So Mandela all the time used to say ‘discover what you agree on, and construct on that’. And when you’ve constructed on what you agree on, the disagreements will appear futile. So I went into the Moonshot Pact, not as a result of I agree with everyone, however as a result of it makes absolute political sense… I consider that the Pact at this second can present an alternate authorities.”

As for the 2024 elections, De Beer says “it’s numbers, it’s not politics”. 

“Let’s be sincere. I all the time inform the individuals the key of defeating the ANC just isn’t by way of political technique. And right here I’m telling it on a programme for the primary time. I’ll inform you straight. Subsequent yr has obtained nothing to do with politics, Chris. It’s about logistics. Shall I say that once more? Subsequent yr has nothing to do about politics. It’s about logistics. In different phrases, the African Nationwide Congress strikes individuals. They transfer them by way of truck, tractor, buggy or combi. They transfer individuals to go vote. So if logistics is the reality, then that’s an opportunity.”

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Requested whether or not he would ever be in favour of a coalition authorities between the pact and his previous get together, the ANC, De Beer’s “No” is non-negotiable. “I imply that is saying that you will successfully say that whomever destroyed and destroyed this nation, which they did, due to my oxygen has obtained one other lifetime. No Chris, the African Nationwide Congress was an unbelievable liberation organisation …it introduced liberty to this nation. However that is now the top…Thanks for liberating the nation. Now retire, get out and allow us to govern.

“By no means once more, for my part, ought to one get together have the ability in its fingers as a monopoly. As a result of look what they’ve accomplished with it Chris, look what the Nationwide Celebration did with it and have a look at what the ANC is doing.”

“Commenting on the ANC authorities’s “impartial stance” on the warfare between Russia and Ukraine, he says:  “Yeah, it’s a cowardly stance. And I don’t have time for cowards. You recognize, whenever you’re a Christian or a son of God, you can’t be a coward. You both rise for the sunshine and stand in the suitable, otherwise you combat amongst evil.”

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De Beer additionally speaks about what drives him; his epic most cancers battle; and his relationship with God.

“I believe earlier than I practically die that I’ve to get my home so as…I obtained my soul so as. I obtained my thoughts so as. Now dammit, I need to get my nation so as. So we combat. We’ll by no means cease.”

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